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		<title>By: Rev. Dr. Athanasius-John T. Nkomo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Dr. Athanasius-John T. Nkomo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monday: December 21St, 2009 Reply from Dec, 14th, 2009 comment:

We are in the age of an end of the earth, unfortunately so many Christendom seem not to take the words of Jesus Christ into serious account when He declared that He is coming back to Judge the Earth! Obviously, many people seem to forget about the matter! History moves inexorably according to the will of the Sovereign God alone. It is God alone who will have the final word-say when all is said and done! God had predicted in advance that He will Judge the world once again, but it is once and for all! Christian writers today falter in their writings because their writings focus in amusing their audience for self-gain [Money]: 

Christian-Fiction Books have destroyed our planet! I agree with Andy that most part, in that Christian writers have been lacking in the writing category, especially when it comes to Sunday school curriculum, no biblical references but animals pictures only! What can children learn from animal pictures?

Hell from beneath is excited about you: To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you: All the chief ones of the earth: It has raised up from their thrones! All the Kings of the nations; they all shall speak and say to you: “Have you also become as weak as we?”  [Isaiah 55: 10-11]:

Jesus Christ is inevitable! If individuals and humanity are to progress, Jesus Christ is inescapable! Jesus Christ being fully human and fully spiritual, lived on earth thoughtfully, and acted inspired by Divine Truth, by the Sacred Word of God. He acted upon a vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony! You may ignore Him at your own wicked risk! [2 Corinth 5: 10]:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monday: December 21St, 2009 Reply from Dec, 14th, 2009 comment:</p>
<p>We are in the age of an end of the earth, unfortunately so many Christendom seem not to take the words of Jesus Christ into serious account when He declared that He is coming back to Judge the Earth! Obviously, many people seem to forget about the matter! History moves inexorably according to the will of the Sovereign God alone. It is God alone who will have the final word-say when all is said and done! God had predicted in advance that He will Judge the world once again, but it is once and for all! Christian writers today falter in their writings because their writings focus in amusing their audience for self-gain [Money]: </p>
<p>Christian-Fiction Books have destroyed our planet! I agree with Andy that most part, in that Christian writers have been lacking in the writing category, especially when it comes to Sunday school curriculum, no biblical references but animals pictures only! What can children learn from animal pictures?</p>
<p>Hell from beneath is excited about you: To meet you at your coming; It stirs up the dead for you: All the chief ones of the earth: It has raised up from their thrones! All the Kings of the nations; they all shall speak and say to you: “Have you also become as weak as we?”  [Isaiah 55: 10-11]:</p>
<p>Jesus Christ is inevitable! If individuals and humanity are to progress, Jesus Christ is inescapable! Jesus Christ being fully human and fully spiritual, lived on earth thoughtfully, and acted inspired by Divine Truth, by the Sacred Word of God. He acted upon a vision of humanity evolving toward a world of peace and harmony! You may ignore Him at your own wicked risk! [2 Corinth 5: 10]:</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samantha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the problem with reading something that&#039;s entertaining that takes us away from this messed up world? I have read and watched every Harry Potter book and movie and thoroughly enjoyed them! This has neither hindered or tarnished my walk with Jesus in any way. I&#039;m a firm believer in the Gospel and strive for a closer walk with my Savior daily. Yet I still enjoy these books. Sin? I don&#039;t think so. Not unless you&#039;re dressing up like a wizard and parading around your house trying to perform an unforgivable curse on your younger brother. Entertainment? Absolutely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the problem with reading something that&#8217;s entertaining that takes us away from this messed up world? I have read and watched every Harry Potter book and movie and thoroughly enjoyed them! This has neither hindered or tarnished my walk with Jesus in any way. I&#8217;m a firm believer in the Gospel and strive for a closer walk with my Savior daily. Yet I still enjoy these books. Sin? I don&#8217;t think so. Not unless you&#8217;re dressing up like a wizard and parading around your house trying to perform an unforgivable curse on your younger brother. Entertainment? Absolutely.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most good stories have an agenda, a central theme that expresses the author&#039;s most deeply held beliefs and convictions. The agenda usually presents some truth to the human experience that speaks to many people. Having read all 7 Harry Potter books, and having seen all of the movies, I have come to the conclusion that the ultimate, recurring theme that Rowling is presenting is an &quot;anti-predjudice&quot; Christian message. When you finally get to the end of the story, it becomes crystal clear that despite all distractions, the actual heart of the story is the dynamic relationship Harry Potter has with one of his teachers at Hogwarts: Professor Severus Snape. Throughout the entire series Harry hates Snape and does not trust him at all. Harry frequently misinterprets what he is seeing and acts impulsively with what information he has. The reason for all the deaths that Harry witnesses is that he gradually loses all of the people that he loves and it brings him to a moment of total discouragement, much like George Bailey in &quot;It&#039;s A Wonderful Life&quot; to where Snape is the only one who can help him. It seems to be over, but in the midst of the devastating battle Harry makes the touching discovery that Snape was one of Harry&#039;s most courageous and strongest allies. The man he had hated for so long is the one that gives him the information he needs to defeat evil. Severus is the character Rowling uses to state her agenda that you cannot judge moral worth solely based on outward appearance and behavior. People should not judge others based on how someone looks, acts, or dresses. At the end of the epilogue, Harry tells his son, Albus Severus Potter, that Snape was &quot;probably the bravest man he ever knew&quot;. As a Christian, I belive in and support Rowling&#039;s anti-predjudice agenda because it is an important truth that many people, even Christians, still tend to overlook today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most good stories have an agenda, a central theme that expresses the author&#8217;s most deeply held beliefs and convictions. The agenda usually presents some truth to the human experience that speaks to many people. Having read all 7 Harry Potter books, and having seen all of the movies, I have come to the conclusion that the ultimate, recurring theme that Rowling is presenting is an &#8220;anti-predjudice&#8221; Christian message. When you finally get to the end of the story, it becomes crystal clear that despite all distractions, the actual heart of the story is the dynamic relationship Harry Potter has with one of his teachers at Hogwarts: Professor Severus Snape. Throughout the entire series Harry hates Snape and does not trust him at all. Harry frequently misinterprets what he is seeing and acts impulsively with what information he has. The reason for all the deaths that Harry witnesses is that he gradually loses all of the people that he loves and it brings him to a moment of total discouragement, much like George Bailey in &#8220;It&#8217;s A Wonderful Life&#8221; to where Snape is the only one who can help him. It seems to be over, but in the midst of the devastating battle Harry makes the touching discovery that Snape was one of Harry&#8217;s most courageous and strongest allies. The man he had hated for so long is the one that gives him the information he needs to defeat evil. Severus is the character Rowling uses to state her agenda that you cannot judge moral worth solely based on outward appearance and behavior. People should not judge others based on how someone looks, acts, or dresses. At the end of the epilogue, Harry tells his son, Albus Severus Potter, that Snape was &#8220;probably the bravest man he ever knew&#8221;. As a Christian, I belive in and support Rowling&#8217;s anti-predjudice agenda because it is an important truth that many people, even Christians, still tend to overlook today.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhonda Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhonda Russell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own research on J.K.Rowling makes clear that she is a Christian. She says that
she was careful not to reveal that before the books were read, otherwise those who
are Christians would see where she was headed with the story and the surprises
would be lost. She says that &quot;Harry&quot; is the Christ-like character, alone, on a mission
against evil and wins ultimately because of &quot;love&quot;. She further says that in not saying
anything about the Christian references she hoped that many children who do not
have the opportunity to attend church or read a Bible might be allowed to read her
books and see her movies. One good reference to read is &quot;Looking for God In
Harry Potter&quot; by John Granger (not related to Hermione) written from the perspective
of a Christian Dad who did not want his children to read Harry Potter and then 
decided to encourage them to read Harry Potter.
     My Baptist preacher Dad taught me to learn from the parables that I could look
for God in anything and thereby relate it to the person to whom I am witnessing. The
familiarity of the subject opens the door to explain the simple truths of faith. It has
worked for many years. GGBTS also taught that understanding. After over 40 years
in Music Ministry it is second nature to me to know that &quot;what is written and how it
is perceived&quot; varies with the one doing the reading. Whether intended or not, I
read Tolkien, Lewis, Rowling, and most everything else with my own Christian
perspective in the event that a discussion about it could open a door for witnessing.
     Cleverness is involved in writing the Harry Potter books. The allegories are very
good. Most Christian writers simply choose to &quot;preach&quot; or &quot;teach&quot; and avoid using
cleverness. Perhaps we should pray for Christian writers who can be &quot;clever&quot;. As
for the witches, wizards, sorcery, and magic.....watching my Dad pastor churches for over 40 years was almost like watching Harry Potter try to survive at Hogwarts! One
never knew what unusual events the new year would hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own research on J.K.Rowling makes clear that she is a Christian. She says that<br />
she was careful not to reveal that before the books were read, otherwise those who<br />
are Christians would see where she was headed with the story and the surprises<br />
would be lost. She says that &#8220;Harry&#8221; is the Christ-like character, alone, on a mission<br />
against evil and wins ultimately because of &#8220;love&#8221;. She further says that in not saying<br />
anything about the Christian references she hoped that many children who do not<br />
have the opportunity to attend church or read a Bible might be allowed to read her<br />
books and see her movies. One good reference to read is &#8220;Looking for God In<br />
Harry Potter&#8221; by John Granger (not related to Hermione) written from the perspective<br />
of a Christian Dad who did not want his children to read Harry Potter and then<br />
decided to encourage them to read Harry Potter.<br />
     My Baptist preacher Dad taught me to learn from the parables that I could look<br />
for God in anything and thereby relate it to the person to whom I am witnessing. The<br />
familiarity of the subject opens the door to explain the simple truths of faith. It has<br />
worked for many years. GGBTS also taught that understanding. After over 40 years<br />
in Music Ministry it is second nature to me to know that &#8220;what is written and how it<br />
is perceived&#8221; varies with the one doing the reading. Whether intended or not, I<br />
read Tolkien, Lewis, Rowling, and most everything else with my own Christian<br />
perspective in the event that a discussion about it could open a door for witnessing.<br />
     Cleverness is involved in writing the Harry Potter books. The allegories are very<br />
good. Most Christian writers simply choose to &#8220;preach&#8221; or &#8220;teach&#8221; and avoid using<br />
cleverness. Perhaps we should pray for Christian writers who can be &#8220;clever&#8221;. As<br />
for the witches, wizards, sorcery, and magic&#8230;..watching my Dad pastor churches for over 40 years was almost like watching Harry Potter try to survive at Hogwarts! One<br />
never knew what unusual events the new year would hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 13:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan - 

Thanks for your note.  I am aware of the ongoing discussion about Rowling and her open confession of belief in God. That does not, as I see it, negate the fact that some of the ideas included in books border on some questionable content.  I am not certain that she would own the literary genre&#039; of &quot;Christian allegory.&quot;  C.S. Lewis also did not own the category of &quot;Christian allegory.&quot;  In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, he explicitly denied that his work was in the same trajectory of thought as was Bunyan&#039;s, Pilgrim&#039;s Progress, which was openly known as Christian allegory. 

Impossible not to read as Christian allegory? I would posit that many people read the section which you mention in ways not associated with Christianity. 

The point of the editorial was to clarify and expose the travesty of much of Christian publishing/writing when compared with the writing of someone like Rowling who breaks every &quot;rule&quot; of much modern Christian writing/publishing. 

I agree with you about Bruce&#039;s excellent book. Our family has benefitted from it greatly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan &#8211; </p>
<p>Thanks for your note.  I am aware of the ongoing discussion about Rowling and her open confession of belief in God. That does not, as I see it, negate the fact that some of the ideas included in books border on some questionable content.  I am not certain that she would own the literary genre&#8217; of &#8220;Christian allegory.&#8221;  C.S. Lewis also did not own the category of &#8220;Christian allegory.&#8221;  In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, he explicitly denied that his work was in the same trajectory of thought as was Bunyan&#8217;s, Pilgrim&#8217;s Progress, which was openly known as Christian allegory. </p>
<p>Impossible not to read as Christian allegory? I would posit that many people read the section which you mention in ways not associated with Christianity. </p>
<p>The point of the editorial was to clarify and expose the travesty of much of Christian publishing/writing when compared with the writing of someone like Rowling who breaks every &#8220;rule&#8221; of much modern Christian writing/publishing. </p>
<p>I agree with you about Bruce&#8217;s excellent book. Our family has benefitted from it greatly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Abernathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Abernathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually a bit surprised at the criticism leveled at the Harry Potter series in this editorial. These questions were answered more than two years ago in several articles and interviews with Rowling. Check the links provided below for two examples:

http://thehogshead.org/guest-blogger-jk-rowling-a-christian-340/1

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572107/20071017/index.jhtml

Further, I&#039;m not sure how someone could read the series, especially the final book, and not come away with a profound assurance that this is indeed Christian allegory in the same style of CS Lewis. Considering the final chapters of Deathly Hallows as anything else is impossible. 

I will agree with Mr. Baker that the quality of writing, both in teaching literature and in fiction, in Christiandom today is horrific. We have sold our theological souls to the big machine of 2 or 3 publishing houses and they have fed us milk not solid food. 

Finally, one area mentioned in the article is the catechism as a means for teaching children. I would like to point you toward Bruce Ware&#039;s Big Truths for Young Hearts as a possible cure for the mindlessness of most children&#039;s teaching material in the church. This book does a masterful job of teaching real theology on a child&#039;s level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually a bit surprised at the criticism leveled at the Harry Potter series in this editorial. These questions were answered more than two years ago in several articles and interviews with Rowling. Check the links provided below for two examples:</p>
<p><a href="http://thehogshead.org/guest-blogger-jk-rowling-a-christian-340/1" rel="nofollow">http://thehogshead.org/guest-blogger-jk-rowling-a-christian-340/1</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572107/20071017/index.jhtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1572107/20071017/index.jhtml</a></p>
<p>Further, I&#8217;m not sure how someone could read the series, especially the final book, and not come away with a profound assurance that this is indeed Christian allegory in the same style of CS Lewis. Considering the final chapters of Deathly Hallows as anything else is impossible. </p>
<p>I will agree with Mr. Baker that the quality of writing, both in teaching literature and in fiction, in Christiandom today is horrific. We have sold our theological souls to the big machine of 2 or 3 publishing houses and they have fed us milk not solid food. </p>
<p>Finally, one area mentioned in the article is the catechism as a means for teaching children. I would like to point you toward Bruce Ware&#8217;s Big Truths for Young Hearts as a possible cure for the mindlessness of most children&#8217;s teaching material in the church. This book does a masterful job of teaching real theology on a child&#8217;s level.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Baker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 03:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy - 

Thanks for your comment.  Regarding your first point, I am not certain.  To be sure, market forces and the sheer requirement of monetary profit can easily steer the editorial ship more than we like to admit.  Good writers (especially of good Sunday School curriculum) are often over-looked because their content is deemed too difficult. By God&#039;s grace, that is changing with many publishing houses. 

As to your second idea about the quality of Christian writing, your point is well-taken.  Tolkien and Lewis do employ the use of creatures and ideas which may not neatly fit into our categories.  Fiction is very difficult to write. As you have ably shown, few authors do it well.  Christian fiction is often not written well. The great need of the hour is for good writing to once again dominate the evangelical scene in ways which does not sequester us behind our own fortresses or categories. We need people who can venture into the mainstream media and compete in the marketplace of ideas where skill truly matters.  In that arena, the nuances which you mention will make all the difference in winning readers - even (and perhaps especially) those who are not Christians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy &#8211; </p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.  Regarding your first point, I am not certain.  To be sure, market forces and the sheer requirement of monetary profit can easily steer the editorial ship more than we like to admit.  Good writers (especially of good Sunday School curriculum) are often over-looked because their content is deemed too difficult. By God&#8217;s grace, that is changing with many publishing houses. </p>
<p>As to your second idea about the quality of Christian writing, your point is well-taken.  Tolkien and Lewis do employ the use of creatures and ideas which may not neatly fit into our categories.  Fiction is very difficult to write. As you have ably shown, few authors do it well.  Christian fiction is often not written well. The great need of the hour is for good writing to once again dominate the evangelical scene in ways which does not sequester us behind our own fortresses or categories. We need people who can venture into the mainstream media and compete in the marketplace of ideas where skill truly matters.  In that arena, the nuances which you mention will make all the difference in winning readers &#8211; even (and perhaps especially) those who are not Christians.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you for the most part, in that Christian writers have been lacking in the writing category, especially when it comes to Sunday school curriculum.  Does this say something more about writers, or publishing standards, though?
In part I disagree about your &quot;Satanic&quot; themes in Harry Potter.  I think evangelical leaders have a double-standard here by saying that they love authors like Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) and Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) - when both of those books have wizards, talking beasts, talking trees, spell casting, epic battles, etc.  Part of fiction writing is creating a new world - and if Tolkien is applauded for it, why are we so against Rowling?  Granted, she does not fit her fictional world into a &quot;biblical worldview&quot; (Tolkien, maybe unconsciously, does), but the main points of her books have nothing to do with magic or the dark arts.  In fact, she does a pretty good at getting across the importance of taking the &quot;good&quot; side in the battle of good and evil (there is &quot;good&quot; magic in her world, as well as &quot;dark&quot; magic --- just like LOTR between the wizards), of the importance of friendship, and other themes that fit well within a biblical worldview - even though Jesus Christ isn&#039;t mentioned by name (well, other than Christmas).
Part of the reason kids like reading these books rather than other &quot;Christian&quot; fiction - is that this fiction is actually interested and not completely transparent.  Characters have depth and in the fictional world are actually believable characters.  The best fiction makes its point subtly, and Christians are usually not subtle.  Once that happens maybe we&#039;ll have a better chance at some bestsellers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you for the most part, in that Christian writers have been lacking in the writing category, especially when it comes to Sunday school curriculum.  Does this say something more about writers, or publishing standards, though?<br />
In part I disagree about your &#8220;Satanic&#8221; themes in Harry Potter.  I think evangelical leaders have a double-standard here by saying that they love authors like Tolkien (Lord of the Rings) and Lewis (Chronicles of Narnia) &#8211; when both of those books have wizards, talking beasts, talking trees, spell casting, epic battles, etc.  Part of fiction writing is creating a new world &#8211; and if Tolkien is applauded for it, why are we so against Rowling?  Granted, she does not fit her fictional world into a &#8220;biblical worldview&#8221; (Tolkien, maybe unconsciously, does), but the main points of her books have nothing to do with magic or the dark arts.  In fact, she does a pretty good at getting across the importance of taking the &#8220;good&#8221; side in the battle of good and evil (there is &#8220;good&#8221; magic in her world, as well as &#8220;dark&#8221; magic &#8212; just like LOTR between the wizards), of the importance of friendship, and other themes that fit well within a biblical worldview &#8211; even though Jesus Christ isn&#8217;t mentioned by name (well, other than Christmas).<br />
Part of the reason kids like reading these books rather than other &#8220;Christian&#8221; fiction &#8211; is that this fiction is actually interested and not completely transparent.  Characters have depth and in the fictional world are actually believable characters.  The best fiction makes its point subtly, and Christians are usually not subtle.  Once that happens maybe we&#8217;ll have a better chance at some bestsellers.</p>
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