Comments on: Messenger Insight Vidcast Special Report – Dr. Ronnie Floyd

By: I've Read. I've Watched. I've Discussed. Now… | sbctoday

I've Read. I've Watched. I've Discussed. Now… | sbctoday — Sat, 12 Mar 2011 20:08:18 +0000

[...] Report (GCRTFFR). I’ve watched the video presentation of said report. I’ve watched the interview which has been suggested to me by friends on Twitter. I’ve stated some of my initial [...]

By: T K W

T K W — Wed, 19 May 2010 22:50:54 +0000

We are, as Christians, suppose to do and read everything under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. I grew up in a denomination that would never encourage the people to read their Bible, much less documents the Church has written, on their own under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. They would simply tell the “common folk” what to believe. How dangerous is that? If you or I have questions, we can read it for ourselves. We as Christians have the Holy Spirit to guide us. We can know if we are being guided by men who truly want to do the will of God. How refreshing and transparent of Mr. Floyd to invite and encourage that! I respect your concerns, but please think about it.

By: Chad Kaminski

Chad Kaminski — Mon, 17 May 2010 14:31:13 +0000

I’m with you Ryan. I disagree with Gary fundementally, yet I can sympathize with some of his thoughts to a degree. I don’t relish the thought of my kids being in a classroom influenced by false religion, but the truth is that I do wield great power in equipping my children to discern truth from error (and I pray God sees me faithful). Not to mention that the testing of their faith in a world that is hostile to Christianity is a very biblical process, and will happen sooner or later. And I may venture to say that the sooner they experience the world the way it is, the less chance of them becoming disillusioned with their Christian mission later in life. Maybe. And if opening the door for Christianity in the schools opens the door for false religions, then so be it. If the students are lost, then they are lost. Therefore we must go after them regardless of what the enemy tries to do to stop us. Of course I could be wrong, but this is my present position, respectfully.

By: Gary Capshaw

Gary Capshaw — Sun, 16 May 2010 02:20:00 +0000

Ryan:

Perhaps it was comments like this which led me to “misunderstand:”

“Our missions need to get into the public school system.”

“I think your comment is right on. Instead of abandoning public schools as some have advocated at the SBC the past several years, we should be infiltrating them”

How could a deliberate infiltration of the school system NOT be trying to Christianize the schools?

By: Ryan Abernathy

Ryan Abernathy — Sat, 15 May 2010 22:00:15 +0000

Gary:
What part of my comment or Gayle’s comment said ANYTHING about “Christianizing” schools? We are not talking about a Christian takeover of public education, but a Biblical approach to evangelism and discipleship: being light in a dark world. The idea that people are supposed to reach a lost and dying world by staying at home and going to church, which you seem to advocate in your comment, is not only foolish but it flies in the face of the past prayer of our Savior in the Garden. Jesus prayed: “15I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19And for their sake I consecrate myself, that they also may be sanctified in truth.” John 17:15-19 (ESV)

Further, I do not understand in any way why you would think that ANYONE in this thread is advocating the school system as a viable source for Christian discipleship. No one is suggesting that. I agree with you that Dad has a huge role in that discipleship process, but I would include other believers as partners in that process- including mom, grandpa, the pastor, the bible study teacher. Discipleship in Scripture seems to be a group effort- with the immediate family playing the lead role buttressed by the surrounding Christian community.

By: Gary Capshaw

Gary Capshaw — Fri, 14 May 2010 14:57:08 +0000

Why the schools? What’s wrong with reaching children where we’re SUPPOSED to be reaching them…at home and in our churches. Never forget that the Bible places the ulitmate responsibility for the spiritual development of our children squarely on the shoulders of Dad. Not Mom, not Grandpa, not the preacher and surely not the teachers in our public schools.

Whenever I hear someone advocating the “Chrisitianizing” of our schools, I have two immediate thoughts:

1. That by opening the doors for us, we also open the door for other faiths to enter the schools too and who among us would want our children or grandchildren sitting through a Muslim-inspired class or saying a morning prayer to Gaia?

2. That such a thing represents nothing more than a shirking of our own responsibilities, of trying to task someone else with the job we’re supposed to be doing ourselves. It’s the ultimate irresponsibility, but it’s easier than teaching the young about Christ person to person.

By: Ryan Abernathy

Ryan Abernathy — Thu, 13 May 2010 22:37:17 +0000

Gayle-
I think your comment is right on. Instead of abandoning public schools as some have advocated at the SBC the past several years, we should be infiltrating them. What can be accomplished by committed Christians in a public school setting is nothing short of miraculous. We need to focus on grounding our believing young people in the faith so they can srve as front line missionaries in the hallways AND challenging our adults to serve as tutors, room mothers, teacher assistants, volunteers, and donors to help the schools with the goal being teachers and administrators won to the faith through the service actions of the church. My prayer is more churches will buy into this type of missions strategy and flee screaming from the “abandon the schools” philosophy.

By: Gayle

Gayle — Wed, 12 May 2010 13:35:40 +0000

I have four children 21, 17, 13 and 10 years old. Our missions need to get into the public school system. before and after school care especially for children who both parents are working, or single parents. I pick up and drop off a few children when I pick up and drop off my own children . I always pray for them and their families before they get out. For their personal safety, spiritual growth and openess to Christ. There are young men who have no fathers and are getting involved with gangs for the support they offer. They finally belong..!!!!!!!!!! They need our help…Our young men and women are in trouble. They feel their facing all life on their own and no reallly really cares. So my prayers are with you… I have been in tears over these young people iin our middle and high schools. Their needs are not being met. Peace be with you.

By: Southern Baptists, the Gospel, and Ronnie Floyd « owen strachan

Southern Baptists, the Gospel, and Ronnie Floyd « owen strachan — Tue, 11 May 2010 20:53:20 +0000

[...] Baptists, the Gospel, and Ronnie Floyd Jump to Comments Doug Baker of the Oklahoma Messenger just did an Insight vidcast with Ronnie Floyd, Senior Pastor of the First Baptist Church of Springdale, Arkansas. Dr. Floyd is a widely [...]

By: Dirk

Dirk — Tue, 11 May 2010 17:20:33 +0000

Thinker says:
May 9, 2010 at 2:20 pm
“Read the GCR manuscript under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. That is how we are to read scripture, so is R. Floyd equating the GCR report to scripture?”

I think you are looking into the comment a bit to much. And I doubt many would truly belive thats what Dr. Floyd was saying. The GCR has had its controversy, by SB of all rank. Many have supported it as well. I think what Dr. Floyd was saying was read the report for yourself and by doing so ask God to speak to you personally about whether this is the right thing for the SBC. And whether it will advance the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Which I do think the best thing Southern Baptist can do is read the report for themselves. Dont listen to a SBC Convention Executive that will lose money for his or her most likely already bloated convention infrastructure where that money should already be used for reaching the lost. I think it comes done to what our goal/mission is. Have nice convention buildings, beautiful expensive churches. Or to reach a dying world headed for hell, without Christ?